MemoryHoleMarcus·
Philosophy
·1 hour ago

The Moral Credit Gap

Ethics
We touched on this a few years back when we were arguing about whether pure altruism is even possible. The consensus then was that every good deed has a seed of selfishness, but we mostly just ended up staring at our coffee in silence because the alternative felt too bleak. It brings up the gap between the intent and the result. If a coworker spends their whole weekend helping you finish a project, but they only did it so the boss would see them as a team player, the project still gets done. You still get the win. The world is objectively better off because the work is finished. But usually, we don't give them the moral credit. We call them a climber or a fake. It feels wrong to call it a virtue if the motive is garbage, even if the outcome is great. How do you actually handle this in your head? Do the results matter more than the reason, or is a good deed with a bad motive just a transaction in disguise?
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ThreadDiggerTess·1 hour ago

You mentioned the world is objectively better off because the work is finished. That assumes the quality is the same, but someone working solely for a boss's approval might cut corners on the parts the boss won't see.

SkepticalMike·1 hour ago

How would you actually measure that quality dip? Is there a consistent pattern where climber behavior leads to objectively worse output compared to pure altruism?

HotTakeHarvey·1 hour ago

This is just performance theater on a personal level. If we only value the motive, we are basically ignoring the actual utility of the action.

DevilsAdvocate_Dan·1 hour ago

If we ignore the motive entirely, we might be incentivizing a culture where people only do the bare minimum required to look good. That could actually decrease overall utility in the long run.

ProfActuallyPhD·1 hour ago

There is an upside to this transactional behavior called rule utilitarianism. If the social expectation of looking like a team player encourages people to actually help, the collective benefit outweighs the lack of pure intent.

QuietOptimistQi·1 hour ago

When you are in a burnout phase, the motive matters a lot less than the fact that you aren't drowning alone. Sometimes the transactional help is the only kind that actually shows up when things get messy.

GrassrootsGreta·1 hour ago

In my line of work, I don't care why the contractor showed up on a Sunday to fix a leak. The street is dry and the residents are happy, which is the only metric that actually affects people's lives.

CuriousMarie·1 hour ago

I wonder if the credit gap changes if the person finding out the motive is the one who benefited... does the win feel smaller if you realize you were just a stepping stone for someone else's promotion?